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50 according to france's president still in critical state. as he said, critical condition. many of them according to france's president are children. thank you for joining me today. "at this hour" with berman and bolduan begins right now. hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. we want to welcome viewers in the united states and around the world. we want to get straight to our breaking news. the capital of the french riviera becomes the latest target of terror. the main promenade in nice littered with bodies, stained with blood. overnight 84 people are dead. another 50 people are critically injured. many victims are children. that information coming just a short time ago from french president francois hollande. >> witnesses described the driver of a huge truck follirin
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gun while zigzagging through a crowded street. this amateur video shows the truck plowing through all those innocent people. the driver barreled down more than a mile of the main promenade, not stopping until police shot him dead. investigators did find an i.d. in the truck. they have identified the terrorist. 31-year-old french tunisian. we're following all angles of this attack. want to begin with cnn senior international correspondent clarissa ward near the scene for us this morning in nice. clarissa, what are you seeing? >> hi, john. as you can see behind me, police have completely sealed off any visuals on the crime scene. that crime scene, as you said, stretches more than a mile long. but suffice it to say that the promenade des anglais behind me is one of the main tourist attractions in nice. nice itself, the coat deazure, the south of france, a main
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destination for people all over the world, and also french people, and there have been thousands of them packed on the promenade behind me. yesterday was bastille day, france's independence day. a big fireworks display. people were gathered, children, many of them, to watch the fireworks. as the fireworks finished, essentially eye witnesses reported hearing cracking sounds which they thought were the fireworks was actually the gunman firing from his truck. he then began to plow over crowds of people, hitting the accelerator. a lot of witnesses said when they first saw this happening, they thought there was some kind of an accident. it was only after they realized he was hitting the gas and deliberately zigzagging into the people that they realized, in fact, this was some kind of terrorist attack. now, nobody has claimed responsibility for the attack yet but i do want to read you a quote from two years ago from the isis spokesman, mohammed al
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anini. and he said to all followers across the world if you can't find a gun or a bomb, quote, smash the head of the infidel with a rock or slaughter him with a knife or run him over with your car. in a sense, while it seems shocking to all of us, john and kate, who have never witnessed an attack like this, isis and groups like isis have been thinking along these lines for many, many years. one more thing i just wanted to mention is that the french president francois hollande passed by here in a motorcade, a relatively short time ago. what was interesting to hear from the crowd, were not cheeres or a moment, but a lot of people angry, a lot of people shouting "you're a murderer." the reality is with the situation in france regarding the security deteriorating and three major attacks in just over a year and a half, a lot of people don't feel safe.
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>> it's the third time in 18 months. right now, francois hollande, the prosecutor in france right now, the man leading the investigation into this terror attack, he is standing behind right now, set to brief. we'll hear from him. [ speaking foreign language ] >> okay. >> translator: ladies and gentlemen, i am having this press conference with the public prosecutor from nice, the gentleman from the police, and this gentleman from the police force. it wasn't said in the communique, this is going to be a statement. first update on an investigation
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which is just starting, so i will not abc any questions. that will be for subsequent press updates, which i will do according to how the investigation proceeds. first, i'd like to express my emotional thoughts to the victims after this new terrorist barbarism which has hit the town of nice in its heart, and i'd like to express a thought for all their relativings. at the moment, 84 people died. of which 10 children and adolescents. 202 people were injured. 52 in a critical state. among those 52 people in a critical state, 25 are still subject to being in a coma. this may change upwards according to the people involved in this terrorist attack which
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may present themselves through the police forces or the health services. as you know, the terrorist who drove the lorry was shot so he could not pursue his criminal activity. then the police who neutralized this persons and then avoided more victim, i'd like to congratulate them. the security forces, the fire brigade, emergency services, doctors, victim assistance associations and also all the people living in nice who expressed a great sense of duty and solidarity. also, i'd like to talk about the mobilization of the legal and medical institution nice who offered all their staff so the
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procedures to identify victims could start in the best possible time frame. this process of identification is of course necessary so as to be absolutely sure of the identity of all the victims. i will, for my part, with all my prosecutor's office, ensure all measures are taken to axccelerae as much as possible the painful wait for all families. i'd like to remind you the interministerial cell or assistance for victims was activated after the attack. and this cell seeks to give support and respond to needs the victims, those close to them with psychological assistance or giving social aid. i'd like to tell you also a cell for giving information to the public has been set up and you can get it at the following
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number, 04-9372-2222. with respect to the legal investigation, working closely with the prosecutor of nice, who started the first investigation elements. they were as of 1:00 in the morning immediately animating the crisis cell of the public prosecutor's office in paris. four members of that office immediately went to nice and have been leading the investigation and inquiries since then. the investigation given to the central security forces and to the legal forces have been opened. with assassination and attempt to assassinate in an organized
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ban with terrorists and also to public services working with a terrorist organization and also the gathering together of terrorists seeking to bring injury to people including an association of criminals. i'd like to come to the facts. the first statements and -- so 14th of july, about 2245 in the evening, a man on his own in a refrigerated lorry of 18 tons hired on the 11th of july to be given back on the 13th of july, wednesday. this truck went on to promenade des anglais. it went about two kilometers. between numbers 11 and 147 of the promenade. and it hit many spectators gathered together on the
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promenade for the traditional fireworks display on 14th of july. the terrorist fired several times on three police officers close to the negresco hotel. police chased the lorry which was able to go on for about 300 meters. the police officer was able to neutralize the person by sho shooting and the terrorist was found dead on the passenger seat. the lorry only held a bicycle and eight empty pallets. in the cab we found a .765 millimeter semiautomatic handgun, a charger and some ammunition of the same caliber and a second automatic pistol which was a replica, two assault rifles, replicas, kalashnikov
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and m-16, so they were replicas too, a pierce grenade, various documents, also being looked at. also found still in the cab of the lorry a driver's card, in the name of mohamed lahouaiej bouhlel born on the 3rd of july 1985 in tunisia and living in nice. using the fingerprints, it was possible to confirm the identity, mohamed lahouaiej bouhlel was a delivery driver. he was married. and head of a family. his wife has been detained as of 11:00 this morning. mohamed lahouaiej bouhlel was known by the judicial and police authorities for threats, violence, thefts between 2010
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and 2016. on the 24th of march 2016 the court of nice condemned him to six months in prison suspended for violence with a weapon used in january 2016. on the other hand, he was entirely unknown by the intelligence services. whether nationally or locally, he had never been the subject of any kind of file or indication of radicalization. the first look at surveillance video makes it possible to see the lorry in the area east of nice where it was parked as of the 13th of july. in fact, the lorry was taken on the 14th of july at 2034 hours by mohamed lahouaiej bouhlel who had arrived on his own on his bicycle, the bicycle found in
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the trailer, and then he went to the town. we see again the truck at 2430 in the area before going on to the promenade des anglais. searches were carried out this morning as you know at two addresses with various equipment, i.t. and telephone equipment was seized, as well as various documents. this material is of course being looked at. those are the only elements i can give you at this stage of the investigation. as i told you, it's just starting. in order to maintain as much as possible the work of the investigators who want to determine and make use of all the equipment and the video surveillance. the investigation will try to determine under what conditions the person was able to get the weapons he used and the lorry. they will seek to determine whether there were accomplices.
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and also they will try to determine what links mohamed lahouaiej bouhlel might have with criminal terrorist islamic organizations. i would remind you, if yesterday's attack has not to date been claimed by anyone, i would remind you this kind of action fits in and exactly corresponds to the calls these terrorist organizations regularly give out on their videos and elsewhere. thank you for your attention. and of course i'll keep you informed as soon as possible how the investigation progresses. thank you. >> you've been listening to francois molins, the prosecutor in france who oversees terror investigations. he gave us new details. first off, 10 children among the 84 dead, 10 children. we know one of them is an american, 11-year-old brodie copland of texas killed along with his father sean.
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so 10 children dead. 52 in critical condition. of those in critical, 25 are still in a coma. >> it's just amazing when you think about those numbers. 25. so those numbers can change. may change quickly. a lot more detail about how this played out, about the terrorist who committed this. he very quickly said the terrorist who is dead. he's talking about an 18-ton lorry, a truck, we've now seen pictures of. he fired several times on police. police responded and chased the truck, eventually stopping him by shooting and said the terrorist was found dead in the passenger seat. he talked about a handgun that was found with him. ammo. a telephone also found in the cab, in the truck, that they said they're still going through along with documents they're still going through. a man born in tunisia living in nice. his fingerprints were used to i.d. him. his wife, as the prosecutor said, has been detained as of
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this morning. >> crucially, they say he has a criminal past, in fact, convicted of crimes and sentenced to six months suspended for a weapons charge. but entirely unknown, entirely unknown by intelligence service, as we've been reporting. not on the radar at all for any sign of radicalization. want to get to nic robertson who i believe is outside the home of the attacker. nick, are you with us? >> i am indeed. one of the things that was very, very striking about what we heard from the prosecutor there, he talked about this 18-ton refrigerated truck and apart from those weapons and hand grenade, there was a bicycle. he said the only other thing inside there was a bicycle. just 20 minutes ago, i talked to a neighbor of mohamed bouhlel in the apartment here and she told me he used to come and go from the apartment on a bicycle. that's how she remembered him as being someone who stuck to
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himself, who was living alone, separate from his family, his wife and three young children living not far away but not with him. she described how he would come and go, always with his bicycle, carrying his bicycle up the stairs to his apartment. i was able to look through the broken door into that apartment because we heard the prosecutor describe how a search had been done from this apartment, that they'd taken telephone equipment, taken i.d. equipment. i can see through the broken door, the drawers from some was strewn on the floor and it appeared to be a relatively hasty search had been done, a monitor standing on the floor of the apartment as well. so certainly what we've heard from the prosecutor there seems to tally with what we heard from neighbors here. that this was a man who used a bicycle. he approached, as we heard from the prosecutor, he approached the truck on this bicycle, put
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it then in the truck, and committed this horrible, horrible crime, john. >> nic, you mentioned that neighbor s describe him as keeping to himself. the prosecutors said in his criminal past, he's been charged with threats, violence, theft. as john mentioned, six months suspended prison sentence for violence with a weapon. did neighbors describe anything like that? >> no, the details that we got from the neighbors, there are about 12 different apartment buildings in here. i was talking to a lady on the floor beneath where he lived. the family, the man and lady who were actually in the apartment, immediately adjacent to his, they really didn't want to say anything when they came in. we asked, you know, what can you tell us, and they really just kept quiet and went inside. we haven't heard specifically about any violence while he was here. more so that he kept to himself when going out to a local cafe.
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we don't yet know why his wife separated from him, taking the three children, three young children, and moving off to another area in nice. but certainly the picture we're getting from the prosecutor perhaps gives us some detail that could lead to an explanation of why his wife left him, if nothing else. >> nic, standby. crucially, the prosecutor said he was entirely unknown to the intelligence services. >> he went on, very specifically, saying never supple to an intel file for any kind of radicalization. >> no sign at all of radic radicalizati radicalization. want to bring in evan perez here in the united states. you've been working your sources inside the fbi and just and elsewhere. what are they saying right now? >> well, john, it's exactly the same thing, that the french and u.s. investigators haven't found any links so far to terrorist groups. obviously, this is still very early in the investigation and they're still looking but they're going through communications, and other databases to see what they can
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learn about this terrorist. so far, they only know that he had this criminal background and that he wasn't on the radar as a possible extremist, and they believe he rented this truck just a few days ago as the prosecutor just mentioned. that gives you a sense of how difficult it is to try to prevent something like this. this morning, security's being beefed up here in the united states. at some locations including in new york where the governor andrew cuomo says he's ordered more security at places like the airports and mass transit and tunnels and the homeland security department says you can expect more measures both seen and unseen. u.s. law enforcement are going through their own review of cases here in the united states of suspected extremists, you know, they're looking for people who, you know, might have commercial driver's licenses, who might have access to large trucks through their work or someone who perhaps is already under surveillance and might try to rent a vehicle like this. the thing is, the use of a vehicle for terrorism isn't a
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new tactic, they've seen it before, but what this attack in nice means is there's going to be a new focus on this as a possible use for terrorists, john and kate. >> it is so early on of course evan and many more detail s wil be coming out. we heard from the french prosecutor when he was saying he's completely unknown to intelligence services. he did say we're going to seek to see if there are accomplices and look to see if there are any links to terror groups. he said they're going to look. he didn't say there was any evidence of it, though, at this point. are you getting any of that, any sense of what u.s. officials believe on those two fronts? >> right now, they really have found absolutely no links. and one of the things that we've seen, kate, in particular, in the last -- overnight certainly on jihadi forums is a lot of celebration about this attack. but, really, there has been no mention from isis. isis does like a daily
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newsletter, if you will, that they put out every morning. and they didn't mention this attack at all. which may mean that they had nothing to do with it or possibly, again, that it might take some time before they figure it out. it's certainly what is being done by investigators in france and here in the united states is scouring any kind of communications that he may have made before he carried out this attack. obviously something flipped. the fact that someone with a criminal background turn noos ia terrorist almost overnight. we've seen it before certainly. that appears to be what has happened in this case. >> all right, evan perez for us in washington. the french prosecutor says no known direct ties to any organized terror groups but he did note this is theind of attack isis has been calling for to two years. >> exactly right. a lot more ahead. a lot more to work through at this hour, including this, dozens of people, as we mentioned, still fighting for their lives in france. 50 people in critical condition.
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the french prosecutor saying 25 people still in a coma today. we're going to go live to the hospital that the president of france visited a short time ago. >> plus two americans among the victims of the attack, a father and his 11-year-old son. we're going to speak live with that boy's baseball coach. this is cnn special live coverage. stay with us. calling all go-getters. all providers. drive with uber and make more than $300 a week by driving a few hours a day. calling all nine-to-fivers and night owls. with uber - a little drive goes a long way. start earning this week. go to the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon... then quickly fell back to earth landing on the roof of a dutch colonial. luckily geico recently helped the residents with homeowners insurance. they were able to get the roof repaired like new. they later sold the cow because they had all become lactose intolerant.
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john berman along with kate bolduan here. the french prosecutor just wrapped up a press conference, gave us new details about the attack and the casualties. he says more than 200 people were injured. 10 of the 84 killed children. >> france president francois hollande visited some victims at a hospital a short time ago. cnn international correspondent ati atika shubert is at the hospital in nice. what are you hearing? >> we've been speaking with doctors, victims, family members, just horrific details. one doctor described the injury saying these were really caused by a massive blunt trauma.
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people being crushed by this truck or injured because they jumped out of the way but then were caught up in the stampede. unfortunately, many of those caught up were children. we know, for example, a 3-year-old boy who was trampled over as people tried to escape. he's in critical care, now still upstairs. there are three in serious condition, critical care. one of them still remains unidentified. these are all children here. we also had a chance to speak with the 16-year-old who she tried to describe to us what she saw, but then broke down in tears, as she -- because she couldn't get the words out. she says it's something that will remain with her forever, the kinds of mangled bodies that were crushed by the truck and then the sheer panic as she lost her mother in the chaos afterwards. so it's been a very difficult day, a very long night for doctors here. the good news for some people is some of the families have been reunited. but it is a trauma that's going to live with them for the rest of their lives. >> absolutely.
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atika shubert outside the hospital. we'll get back to atika for updates whenever that comes, thank you so much. u.s. officials confirm at least two americans were killed in the attack. the austin, american statesmen newspaper in texas reports the victims were sean copeland and that little boy, 11-year-old brodie, his son. they were in nice for a family vacation. >> now their friends and family in lakeway texas are all grieving. on the phone with us now is brodie's baseball coach. coach, thanks for being with us, our condolences to you and your community. how did you find out about this horrific news? >> we're very close in the hill country and we are families connected to the copelands as we are and we were up in new york for a national tournament and one of the parents broke the news to us after we played our last game and it's very
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devastate. we're all trying to get back to texas to join the rest of the family. >> it's understandable. sean copeland's niece, coach, tweeted, i don't even know how to put this in words. kind of sending out a tweet about what happened. i'm sure you feel the same way. so many other people do around you. can you put into words, can you tell us a little bit about that little boy you know so well, brodie copeland? >> brodie was a bright light to us and he was an amazing kid. he was a promising baseball player and the copelands were very involved in our program as far as supporting and helping us get the word out and very tight-knit group. the program, we're all just hurting. a lot of overwhelming response and just trying to help them recover. we're going to be there for them. >> have you had a chance to either talk to the family or be in contact with anyone who has any sense of how they're doing
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today? >> so we have family, or we have friends of theirs on the team i'm with now and they've been communicating with them and they asked me to do this. that's why i'm on the air with you guys. they asked me to share their memory with the word because that's how great a people those two were, sean and brodie, definitely one of a kind. >> can you do just that, can you share a happy memory that you have of brodie, sean, something to share with the world? >> the last thing we did together, we were just in florida, playing a baseball tournament. sean and brodie and his wife kim were there. we would just hang out at the beach. sean was excited about going out on vacation. he was just that kind of guy. inviting us to go. unfortunately, we had to work. just that kind of personality. that whole family itself was definitely -- you hate to see
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that happen to people like this. they were great. and now we're just going to help them pick up the pieces and be there for them. >> coach, you deal with kids every day and brodie's teammates every day. have you put any thought into how you're going to talk to them about this? >> that's why i'm trying to get back. i want to be able to be there for these kids when they have questions. i know their family is going to definitely be there. i just want to be that other outlet if they need it and be there for whoever needs me and that's kind of what the program's about. it's just one of those things you can't control and you hate to see it happen, especially to great people. and it's very unfortunate. i'm just trying to do anything to help the family right now. you see we have the go found me for that family. and want to make sure they're taken care of the best they can be. >> we want to make sure we get the go fund me information out
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for you. we have the page up on the tv screen right now so people can get that information. coach you said you're going to help them pick up the pieces and do whatever you can and they're going to need you. we really appreciate you coming on, and please, when you are in communication with them, please send them our love. >> thank you so much. >> you see the pictures there of sean and brodie who were there along the promenade on bastille day, a vacation they'd been looking forward to for months together. >> and now their family will come back without them. >> coming up, an eyewitness account, that's next. longer? get your beauty sleep and use new aveeno® absolutely ageless® night cream with active naturals® blackberry complex. younger looking skin can start today. new absolutely ageless® from aveeno®.
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terrorist plowed a truck through a crowd at a bastille day celebration. an american on vacation in nice with his wife at the time, he's joining us right now from nice, eric, thank you so much for coming on, on what is an unbelievable and horrible day for you and so many. you were having dinner at the time. you were paying your bill. walk us through what was happening, what you were doing, what you saw before this attack took place. >> yes, the fireworks had just ended. everybody was having a last drink. applauding the fireworks and the server came over and we were settling our bill and we heard some shouts, some screams, but didn't initially understand what it was because there were bands and music and whatnot on the promenade. and so didn't process that. but then we heard the pop, pop, pop, pop, pop sounds. my wife, though she's deaf, actually heard the sounds and knew immediately it was gunfire.
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i didn't react nearly as quickly as she did. we started to run. the restaurant we were in was on the beach which is about 3 to 4 meters below the promenade. and there was a cooking area and serving area, toilets and whatnot underneath the promenade for this restaurant, and we started to run toward that and people started diving off the promena promenade. it was completely surreal. diving off, on to the beach, on to the roof of the restaurant. one person fell and -- actually fell on top of my wife, injuring her arm. she's fine now, just a nasty bruise. and we went with other people in the restaurant, people who had dived down, and we took cover in a toilet stall. about ten people in one toilet stall we were in. we were there for some time.
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we kind of all then started coming out. and then maybe an hour, hour and a half in, we got word to go back in, retreat back as far as we could, never learned why. and then about two hours after we were there, we were told to evacuate. we went to a hotel about 150 meters down the east to the east called the negresco where the injured were being treated, police were questioning people. they were giving us water and blankets and whatnot. about three hours after the whole thing started, 1:30 in the morning, we were allowed to go back to our hotel, westminster, in between -- it was right across from the restaurant we were at. we couldn't walk down the promenade so we had to go by a back road to -- through the hyatt and then on to the promenade walk 100 or so meters from the hyatt to our hotel. you could see bodies everywhere. i thought they were covered in
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sheets. it turns out we learned later they were covered in tablecloths from the restaurant. and there was blood and destruction everywhere. >> there were so many bodies that restaurants along the promenade helped out, they gave their table clothes to cover the bodies there to give them whatever dignity they could at that point. eric, it must have just felt like a war zone, it must have felt like you were in a war for those several hours. >> it did feel like it. i've never been in the military, never been in a war zone. but i can only imagine this had to be a lot like what it was. you didn't know what was happening. everybody was clearly frightened. not just because people were separated from friends, family and whatnot but because we didn't know what was going to happen. because we were on the beach. we couldn't see what was happening on the promenade. we didn't know if it was one person, lots of people. we didn't know if it was a coordinated attack.
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all we know is we were scared. >> can you talk to us about what kind of security you had seen? this was a big celebration. we've been told barricades were up. but what kind of security did you see? >> we started our holiday two weeks ago in paris and police, armed police everywhere you turned in paris. we went from there to provence, and it was a pretty substantial police presence. there wasn't much of a police presence in nice we could see. i understand earlier in the evening there was a military parade of some sort. we did not come out for that. we cape to the promenade about 7:30, 7:45. went for a walk before dinner. our reservation was at 8:30. i don't recall seeing any police or at least any substantial police presence on the promenade where we went for our walk and then to dinner. earlier in the week on sunday night, we wanted to go to the fan seen for the euro football
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finals and chose not to because there was a very large police presence there, but we chose not to because we were concerned there were two pinch points to get into the fan fest area, the fan zone, and we thought if anything was going to happen, it was going to happen there, and people could really be hurt if there were a stampede. turns out we prepared for the worse. nothing happened there. but last night we were completely unprepared. we didn't expect anything to happen. it was an incredibly festive evening. >> it's a sign of the times, eric, this had been in your thoughts on your vacation already and tragedy still fell last night. we're glad you're okay. we're so sorry you had to go through this. our best to your wife who is recovering as well, thank you, eric. >> let's bring in right now law enforcement consultant and former nypd detective. you've been sitting with us here while we heard from the french prosecutor and we've heard these
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horrible stories of what people lived through and those who were lost. when you see what we now know as just the facts that there are. an 18-ton refrigerated truck plowing through a barricade, plowing through people, going four two kilometers, over a mile, before it was stopped. could that happen here? >> very easily could happen here. this is what's known in the terrorism world -- excuse me, you have hard targets and soft targets. hard target would be a building like the white house, something that's heavily guarded, nearly impossible to get into. then you have soft targets where you have gatherings of people, movie theaters, schools. this is where terrorists now are looking more and more to commit these acts because they can just easily get into something like a truck. they don't necessarily need a bomb. look how much damage was done just with that truck. and you can do so much damage not having necessarily any other tools and materials that a
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terrorist would want sump as weaponry, grenades. just take a truck and plow through a crowd of people and there's a ton of damage. almost as much damage here as the last attack in france not too long ago. >> as simplistic as it was, it was almost as deadly as the coordinated attack we saw before in paris. >> all the parades we've seen -- >> it doesn't seem like they take precautions. we've seen pictures of big giant trucks with sand that block intersections to make sure vehicles can't get by. this is something i know is in some of the planning here. >> well, yes, any parade -- new york city has parades all the time, especially during the summertime. the police can do but only so much though, really, when it comes down to it. when you talk about not only the amount of people who are participating in the parade. >> thousands. >> and then the spectators. tens of thousands. again, you just take one wayward truck goes down one street we're not counting on and you run over
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a couple hundred people. that's a really awful day. so the police try to do everything they can to my knowledge based on the contacts i have. i don't believe there's any threats that are against new york city at this point. i know the nypd has stepped up with extra security at critical locations, including some of the embassies such as the french embassy. so, you know, they immediately go into a heightened state of alert. france was in a heightened state of alert. >> state of mentemergency. >> they were supposed to be coming off that and it still happened. as much planning as you try to do to thwart these threats, there's really never enough ways. that's why it's imperative people keep their eyes and ears open. and alerting authorities as soon as they can. >> next this is the third major terror attack in france in just the past 18 months. there's been several more in between. is this the new normal for france? what about europe? what about the united states?
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fareed zakaria joins us to discuss, next.
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this is the tenth actual or attempted terror attack in france since the charlie hebdo massacre in january of 2015. at least 245 people killed in those attacks, including 84 in nice. want to bring in fareed zakaria, the host of "gps." fareed, we heard from the french
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prime minister manuel valls who said times have changed and france is going to have to live with terrorism. france essentially he's saying is going to have to live with this. that's a hard message. >> it's a hard message. there's a certain reality he's talking about in the world which is that the british for example in the 1980s had to live with i.r.a. terrorism for years, decades. there is something particular about france though. i'm a huge fan of france. i love the country. i love the culture. but it's interesting, there's a brookens study that shows four of the five most radicalized muslim populations in the world are in franc countries, countries are french culture. why does it have this pool of radicalized people? france has this very aggressive form of secularism. you're not allowed to wear a veil. you're not allowed to have any
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show of religion or rbleligious expression. there's something going on between that dynamic of french culture and the alienation it produces in some disaffected quarters and, remember, as always, we're dealing with handfuls of people here, but there's something there to reflect on. i don't know it enough. but it can't be a coincidence this brookings study shows that 4 of the 5 most radicalized muslim populations in the middle eastern countries. >> and what do you make that when he said that this is, and we are going to have to live with terrorism, and saying this less than 24 hour ss after the latest attack, and yes x it is a horrific 18 month s s in that country, and no question. but it sounds almost defeatist when he says that. >> it does. and one of the great challenges
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with leadership is that you want to be honest with people, and you at the same time want to channel and reflect their emotional mood. i think that maybe valls in this case was too honest too quickly, because there is a reality in the terrorism in the world today that we have to be careful and aware, and i was planning a trip and thinking about istanbul, and you think about it in a new light because of the things happening, and i am fairly relaxed about these things burk there is a reality, butthink that what you are both picking up is that 24 hours, 48 hours after this, when people are still mourning, it seems too much reality too soon. >> and the president struggles with this, and president obama says frequently, that isis cannot destroy it, and si not an existential threat to the united states and is that a fair metric, if the complete
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oobliteration of the country is what we need to be focused on or the pain they can inflict. >> and what president obama has grappled with and not one of his strongest suits is this idea of the mirroring and reflecting the emotional angst that people have, and he tends to be more analytical and clinical, and point out that statistically, you are statistically more likely to die on an american highway than in a terrorist attack, and that is not how it feels and certainly not 24 hours after an attack. >> thank you, fareed, so great to see you. and thank you so much. coming up, both of the presidential candidates have been reacting in the aftermath of the attack. and donald trump moments ago with a big announcement about his running mate. all of that system coing up. y n. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension. your blood pressure could drop to an unsafe level.
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the goals we will strive for. the principles we will live by. and we need to make sure that they can be proud of us. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. valls. all right. the e terror attack in france caused donald trump to delay and really downplay the biggest announcement of hisple presidential campaign and instead of holding the big news conference he is supposed to hold right now, trump went on twitter right now to announce that indiana governor mike pence is going to be his running mate. you will see trump/pence at the first joint event tomorrow in new jersey. >> and for some time donald trump and the rival hillary clinton are responding to the french attack in stark, and very interesting ways, and we will discuss that in one second. let's bring in john king from inside politic, and he is ooh
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here with the cnn political correspondent a dana bash, and first to the news that was coming, and it is all signs pointed to pence and then it was pence and then the announcement pushed off and finally announced that it was pence. talk about this roll out. >> i thought that we all lived through the most dramatic v.p. pick in our sort of the professional lifetimes with sarah palin and john mccain and this is trumping it and i'm not really even saying that with hyperbole, and maybe this is on the front end where where palin ended up being on the backend, but the past 24 to 48 hours has been really, really remarkable. i think that this is all under the umbrella that for the very first time donald trump is going with what his advisers are te telling him that he needs to do, and not with his gut. which is something that is not a comfortable feeling for somebody like donald trump who has been successful not just in the professional life, but obvio
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obviously, he got the nomination going with his gut. and so just to sort of boil it all down, he has picked mike pence, and he tweeted that he has picked mike pence, and he called mike pence as we reported yesterday afternoon finally, and made the offer, but after that, there were 12 hours or so where it was still not really entirely clear that he was going if go through with it, because he said so on fox news, and he said well, i'm not really sure, and i don't really count on, that and meanwhile mike pence had been flown in from indiana and in his hotel room in manhattan and just kind of sitting there and waiting and part of the drama that contributed to all of this, of course, were the horrific attacks in france which caused donald trump to say, i'm going to delay the announcement which is supposed to be happen iing ts hour. it is really, really remarkable, and i'm just learning of some of the behind the scenes color, and
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now we will hear more about it as we all do reporting in the next few hours. >> that is a very, very good tease, dana bash. and we know, john king n new bedford, new jersey, where donald trump has a golf course and among other things, and what is the future for trump-pence in the coming days? >> well, remember that the vice presidential picks almost always don't matter in november, but this is very important for donald trump at this moment heading into the convention next week, and think of the people who have criticized him and been skeptical of him and if you are and conservative for the government and the groups that are the club for growth don't trust trump. and if you are an-high abortion, he said he was pro choice, and he has changed, but he said that you can trust him, and then he said that caitlyn jenner said that she could use any bathroom in trump tower, and others don't trust him, and now, con ser
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conservatives love mike pence, and what does this mean? it gives him a calmer, and cooler and more unified convention, and after that? the trump campaign says that he will pick them in the rust belt, and last time out paul ryan was very popular in the rust belt, and they were blown out, so don't think that he is going to solve the electoral map, but he makes for a smoother and calmer convention which is huge for the tr trump campaign. >> and the reaction of both candidates, donald trump and hillary clinton, in the aftermath of the terror attack in france. this is how they both reacted last night. l listen. >> i would. i would. this is war. if you look at it, this is war coming from all parts, and frankly, it is war, and we are dealing with people without uniforms. >> well, i think it's clear that we are at war with the terrorist
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groups, and what they represent. it is a different kind of war, and we need to be smart about how we wage it and win it. so i think that we have to look at all of the possible approaches to doing just that. >> yeah. john, with a minute left, but both of them talking about war, but in very different terms, and very different and not surprisingly tone which these candidates do. >> it is one of the defining questions in the campaign, and people think that the country is off on the wrong track economically, and when things like dallas and these attacks in france happen, it reinforces the belief that what we have is not working, and we need something different, and that benefits the challenger, and hillary clinton is saying that we need to be calm, and can you imagine donald trump on a situation room like this, and she says he is risky, and he says what we are doing is not working. >> i apologize we have to run. and dana bash and john king,
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thank you. we have a programming note, john king is going to be hosting a special "inside politics" this sunday live from cleveland. what is in cleveland? the republican national convention, and we are all going, and it is sunday at noon, and john and us will be there all week. >> thank you for joining us at this hour. "legal view with ashleigh banfield" starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to the viewers here in the united states and around the world, and that world now knows the name of the 31-year-old frenchman who plowed through a dense crowd on the sea front promenade last night in nice, france, but the world is at a loss to understand why. and to stop these attacks that are in no way exclusive to france, but have taken such a toll there since the charlie hebdo assault a year and a half


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